Handball WM-EM, Algemeen. EK 2024 mannen

[Big30]

http://www.qatarhandball2015.

A good start for the favorite team of the Icebears, Germany!
Na de winst op Polen (!) nb vandaag winst tegen Rusland. Spanje en Frankrijk maken zich zorgen :wink:.

[bocariver]

First round is a kind of training for all big teams . A way to choose their opponent in KO match.
It is true that Germany showed a surprising good face.
Qatar too with a victory today against Slovenia with trainer Rivera and "mercenaires" like Roiné ( Olympic champon with France, Saric, Stojanovic and Markovic from Bosnia or Borja fernandez (more than 2m) from Spain and some Tunesians. Money talks....

[Willi69]

It is true that Germany showed a surprising good face.

Surprising for whom?

[bocariver]

Surprising for whom?

For those who saw them loosing and loosing again since 2007.

But after all, Poland and Russia are loosers too.

[Big30]

Favorites? Spain, Croatia, Denmark, Sweden (?), Slovenia (?). Germany is certainly not a favorite, they are very lucky to be present because they received a wildcard. But 1/4 or even semi-final for Germany, who knows!

Bocariver will explain who is the Big favorite . I hope the final will be the same as the 2007 WC semi final in Köln.

[bocariver]

Some fun matches yesterday and today.
France -Iceland 26-26 with a red card for Nikola Karabatic for simulation but it was one of numerous mistakes from ridiculous referees from Portugal when you look the replay on TV.Pathetic...
Denmark - Germany 30-30. Now, We are sure that Germany is a serious opponent and they will finish at 90 %first of their group, avoiding France or Sweden in 1/8 finals.
Spain- Qatar 28-25. Finally, Rivera's son win again his father but only in the last 5 minutes because so called Qararis were leading before 3 goals from Aguinagalde,Tomas and Maqueda.

I wait the tableboard of 1/8 before predict something.

[bocariver]

End of the first round in Qatar and we have the tableboard of 1/8 final:

France- Argentina
Macedonia-Slovenia
Denmark- Iceland
Spain-Tunesia
Qatar-Austria
Germany-Egypt
Croatia- Brasil
Sweden-Poland


Elimination From Czec republic of Filip Jicha and Belarus of Siarhei Rutenka. Big failure from Russia after loosing against Argentina in money time, fun to see physical monster running after Simonet's brothers and never catch them.

[bocariver]

If I understood well the ridiculous qatarian internet site of WC, I can make a little analysis.

France will qualify certainly for semi finals in spite of a not so high level and the miss of a wounded Abalo. With some good Nikola Karabatic, Guigou and Sorhaindo , it is not possible to loose against Argentina because Simonet's brothers play In France and their Magic is not a real surprise.
Then, I think Slovenia will beat Macedonia because Lazarov can not make everything before loosing against France. The half of Slovenian team play in France and they will not be under-estimate.

Spain will qualify for quarter if they keep cool against enthousiasm of Tunesia, before playing against the winner of Denmark -Iceland. A quarter Spain-Denmark was the final from 2 years ago.

Germany looks more regular than Egypt but be careful of an enthousiastic, talented and young egyptian team. Germany is one of the two big deal from WC because they played desperatly bad 6 months ago and players are not international stars ,may be except Gensheimer. Only explanation , their new trainer made a good work for collective game but it is still fragile.

Germans could play in quarter against the second surprise: Qatar with their legion who looks more dangerous than Austria.

Last Quarter, I can predict a Croatia-Sweden because Brazil and Poland are too weak to make a surprise.

More interesting Matches in 1/8 for suddendeath end: Denmark-Iceland and Germany-Egypt.

[Big30]

The Big question now is how will it proceed? Not much to ad to the analysis of BCR, he is more an expert than me wrt Handball, although I am already for a long time a Handball fan, long time ago active and now very passive .
I grew up with Gummersbach, Grosswallstadt, TUSEM Essen etc. Was always a big fan of Erhard Wunderlich, RIP.



I think it is not unlikely, better said very likely that the group winners will qualify for the semi-finals. So Spain, Croatia, France and yes ... Germany will qualify.

But indeed Spain -Denmark as a 1/4 final is a very interesting game (Spain will win against Tunesia for sure, well for 75% sure :wink: Tunesia has this 38 years old player who is the MVP but forgot the name)
Difficult then to make a prediction but I think Spain will win against Denmark in the 1/4 final.

France yes almost certain in the semi final.

Croatia Sweden will be another 1/4 final and Croatia will qualify for the semi final.

Our favorite (being Icebears!) is Germany! Yes present because of a wildcard. But group winner. They will certainly beat Egypt (OK Germany lacks real experienced players). Austria - Quatar is the game of the legionairs, think Austria will win and then Germany will (must) beat Austria in the 1/4 final.

So the final will be? I think France- Croatia (but I hope France - Germany)!

This is for me where my Handball memories start.

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En hierbij de medaillewinnaars van de voorgaande WK's handbal.

Wereldkampioenschap handbal.jpg

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Speelschema achtste finales (op de 26ste staan trouwens 4 wedstrijden die niet te maken hebben met de achtste finales zoals de eerste drie en verderop die van Rusland tegen Tsjechië). De achtste finale wedstrijden worden op twee vaste tijdstippen gespeeld, om 16.30 uur en om 19.00 uur.

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[Big30]

Daar kunnen we nog dit medaille klassement aan toevoegen. OK, voor een voorspelling voor 2015 moet je vooral naar de laatste 2 Wk's kijken en niet al te veel langer terug. Dit klassement zegt alleen iets over welke landen een echte Handbal historie hebben.



Dat gezegd hebbende, het blijft en is zeer vreemd en opmerkelijk dat het WK Handbal niet op de ARD/ZDF wordt uitgezonden. De reden waarom, soit.

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Dat gezegd hebbende, het blijft en is zeer vreemd en opmerkelijk dat het WK Handbal niet op de ARD/ZDF wordt uitgezonden. De reden waarom, soit.

De Duitse publieke omroepen ARD en ZDF blijven ongecodeerd via de satelliet uitzenden. Dit ondanks de steeds groter wordende druk van rechtenbezitters om signalen te gaan coderen. Dat meldt BroadbandTV News.


In een gezamenlijke verklaring zeggen beide Duitse publieke omroepen dat ze ongecodeerde satellietverspreiding van de tv-kanalen onderdeel van hun publieke taak vinden. Dit komt volgens de omroepen ook overeen met de wens van de Europese politiek met betrekking tot vrije informatiegaring. Vooral rechtenbezitters van sportevenementen doen steeds moeilijker over de ongecodeerde satellietverspreiding. ARD en ZDF liepen om deze reden onlangs de uitzendrechten van live-uitzendingen van het WK handbal voor mannen mis.

http://www.totaaltv.nl/nieuws/18750/...uitzenden.html

[Willi69]

De Duitse publieke omroepen ARD en ZDF blijven ongecodeerd via de satelliet uitzenden. Dit ondanks de steeds groter wordende druk van rechtenbezitters om signalen te gaan coderen. Dat meldt BroadbandTV News.

Das ist echt ärgerlich, dass die deutschen Sportfans den deutschen Titelgewinn nicht live im Fernsehen verfolgen können (außer bei Pay-TV-Sender SKY). Wozu zahlen wir eine Medienabgabe (Zwangsgebühr) in Höhe von 18 € / Monat (früher: Rundfunkgebühr)?

Ich schaue mir die Spiele kostenlos in Internet unter http://livetv.sx an. Das funktioniert sehr gut ohne Ruckler und Aussetzer. Eventuell muss man einen arabischen Kommentator über sich ergehen lassen.

Aber Vorsicht: die Seite will ständig Updates und neue Player installieren! Auf keinen Fall erlauben, diese "Updates" werden nicht gebraucht!

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http://livetv.sx/eventinfo/285789_spain_tunisia/ (één van de 5 players op de play knop drukken)

http://www.rojadirecta.me/goto/www.all-stadium.net

[Big30]

Eenvoudige overwinning voor Spanje. 28-20 final tegen Tunesie.

"Qatar" beats Austria so Germany will face Qatar in the 1/4 final. Slovenia - Macedonia 30-28 more or less as expected.

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Tunesië bleek inderdaad geen sterke tegenstander hoewel door gemakzucht bij Spanje ze nog enigszins een beetje konden terug komen. Volgende wedstrijd tegen waarschijnlijk Denemarken wordt wel een zware opgave.

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Voor Duitsland lijkt de weg geplaveid naar de halve finale....om daar vervolgens uitgeschakeld te worden door Kroatië.

[bocariver]

France- Argentina
Macedonia-Slovenia 28-30
Denmark- Iceland
Spain-Tunesia 28-20
Qatar-Austria 29-27
Germany-Egypt
Croatia- Brasil 26-25
Sweden-Poland

The main event from today was an outstanding match from Brazil , loosing at 30 seconds from the end against a big favorite Croatia. The brasilian goalkeeper stopped 3 penaltys putting doubt in Croatian heads. We saw that Brazil is preparing olympics well and they can be very efficient remembering that women were worl champions in 2012.

We could notice too that the group of Spain was more strong than group B.

For predictions, I made 100 % , B30 only 50 %. Qatar will be very dangerous with a world champion trainer: Valero Rivera, with 2 goalkeepers of champions league like Saric and Stojanovic, a back court with Markovic (ex hsv from Montenegro), Capote ( from Cuba) , Roiné (world champion with France in 2011) and hassan Mabrouk from Egypt and in frontcourt Benali from Tunesia and some other Bosnian.

In fact, in terms of experience in big event, Austria got no chance. Qatar could reasonably beat Germany in quarter with popular and referee support. Difficult for IHF to choose between Qatar and Germany : Money or Money

Tomorrow, every matches will be very close except France- Argentina but it was the same quote for Croatia- Brazil.

[Willi69]

For predictions, I made 100 % , B30 only 50 %.

Big surprise!

Qatar could reasonably beat Germany in quarter with popular and referee support. Difficult for IHF to choose between Qatar and Germany : Money or Money.

I hope the players will give the answer.

[Big30]

Ruststand 12-8 for Germany, half-time dus. Beetje een rommelige wedstrijd waar zelfs veel 7 meters worden gemist. Not decided yet but if the Germans stay concentrated should be no problem.

Verdedigend staat het wel redelijk bij de Duitsers door vaak in een offensieve 5-1 te staan. After 6 min in the second half 17-8.

[bocariver]

France- Argentina 33-20
Macedonia-Slovenia 28-30
Denmark- Iceland 30-25
Spain-Tunesia 28-20
Qatar-Austria 29-27
Germany-Egypt 23-16
Croatia- Brasil 26-25
Sweden-Poland 20-24

Results are completed: Germany, France and Denmark killed theirs opponents very fast , no suspense. We saw physical superiority from Germans in defense, an efficient Groetzky at wing and an impressive Lichtlein in Goal. For France , it was a training and when I looked to Denmark they already lives 7-2 after 5 minutes.

Only fight with Poland winning against Sweden in last 2 minutes thanks to Szmal their goalkeeper and the fact that Kim Andersson the best Swedish player was wounded on shoulder.

Spain- Denmark
France- Slovenia
Croatia-Poland
Germany- Qatar

I can not see them. What a disgrace....

ps: important to notice that teams classified between 2 and 7 will compete in tournament for Oympics qualification.

[Willi69]

Spain- Denmark
France- Slovenia
Croatia-Poland
Germany- Qatar

Now it's clear:

Spain - Denmark => Spain
France - Slovenia => France
Croatia - Poland => Poland
Germany - Qatar => Germany

Half finals:

Poland - Germany => Germany
Spain - France => Spain

Final:

Germany - Spain

And the winner is:

???

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Hahaha die Willi.

[Big30]

Germany will have 3 opponents in the 1/4 final. Team "Qatar" or better Team Balkan+, the fanatic crowd and to be expected also the referees. Besides Balkan+ has some experienced players. We will c!

I expect Spain, France, Croatia and yes Germany will qualify. But only for the France team I am relatively sure.

My dream final is still possible!

Incredible performance of the German GK Lichtlein in a game that never was a game.

[Big30]

Zou dit nog van invloed zijn op de uitslagen :wink:?